1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992

2019 Olgan Kordal and Drive-My EN/UK

New Porsche 992 C4S? Well, not so new actually. Porsche has been there before with the 959, some 33-years ago. Despite being from another analogue era, the 959 matches the 992 virtually tech-for-tech. It was a car that was 33-years ahead of its time… Words: Andrew Frankel. Photography: Olgan Kordal.


SEPARATED BY 33 YEARS

Separated by 33-years, but with exactly the same power output and relative technology, it’s 992 v 959

“Those who drove it spoke of cruising, yes cruising, at 160mph”

MEETING THE ANCESTOR


I remember well the reception afforded to the Porsche 959 when it finally went into production in 1986, three years after being shown in concept form. This wasn’t just a new level for 911-based machinery nor even for Porsche itself. It was a new level, period.


1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992

1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992

Those who drove it spoke of cruising, yes cruising, at 160mph, and the strong acceleration still available at that speed.

It blew Ferrari’s gorgeous and still quite new GTO (only latterly described as a 288 GTO) into instant obsolescence. Those journalists who drove it were thunderstruck, and rightly so.

For this was the fastest production road car the world had ever seen. It had 444bhp and a top speed of more than 190mph. It could reach 62mph in 3.7sec. It didn’t just have four-wheel drive but also a demand-based variable torque split and even – would you believe it? – adaptive damping. It made the Ferrari look like a rather elegant antique.


1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992

1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992

So here’s a set of stats from another car: 444bhp, a top speed of 190mph, a 0-62mph time of 3.6sec, four-wheel drive, a demand-based variable torque split and,

yes, adaptive damping. Pretty similar, you’d agree. Except these numbers belong to a 2019 911 Carrera 4S, a car destined to be one of the humbler members of the new 911 range once it’s fully rolled out. It has taken 33 years, but performance and technology regarded then as borderline insane is now within the preserve of the high-quality but entirely everyday sports car.


1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992

1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992 / Are they related? Well yes, obviously. Do they feel related? Yes, they do, but only distantly, says our man, Frankel.

So it seemed a good idea to take a new Carrera 4S to meet the 959. Unfortunately, with only around 300 being built and far fewer surviving, 959s are not exactly thick on the ground. Indeed, finding a car whose owner would let me drive the way such a car was designed to be driven was an insurmountable task.

Happily, though, the Porsche museum was bringing a load of racing care over to the Goodwood Members’ Meeting and was good enough to put a 959 on the back of the truck – an immaculate car that has only ever been owned by the factory and with a mileage barely into five figures. I don’t know what it’s worth but certainly something the inconvenient side of a million quid.


1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992

1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992 / There’s a 911 in there somewhere. The 959 took the 911 to a whole other place in terms of concept. In reality it was merely a conduit for Porsche’s future ambitions. Working the wheel. Compared to other supercars of the day, the 959 is a doddle

It was the first time I’d driven the new, 992-generation 911 in public, having previously only skidded around a damp Hockenheim in one. And, if anything, the gap between it and its 991-gen predecessor seemed even greater on the road than it had on the track. I count myself as a big fan of the standard 991 in almost all respects, save the fact that it only feels like a 911 if you drive the door handles off it. And I wrote that if the 992 had one job to do, it was to make the driving experience more accessible. And it has: not only is it a little more fun to drive, but that entertainment now comes in exchange for a lot less effort, too. It’s a fabulously easy car to enjoy and clearly the best new 911 of the past 25 years. It is the definitive state-of-the-art sports car.


1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992

1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992 / Clearly the 992 is the rather sleeker, more modem looking car. The 959’s early 911 ancestory is given away by more upright windscreen.

But the 959 set out to do something else: to be not merely of its time but years ahead. Decades, in fact. It was made from space-age materials such as Kevlar and Nomex. Its wheels were not only magnesium but hollow, too, their spokes full of the same air as the bespoke Bridgestone RE71 run-flat tyres. Yes, really. It looked like an artist’s interpretation of a 21st century 911, but that shape was in fact designed to allow maximum aerodynamic efficiency while keeping the whole thing on the ground as 200mph approached.

Yet inside, it doesn’t look futuristic at all.

It looks quite like the 964 generation of the 911 that followed on soon after 959 production ceased in 1988. But the clues are everywhere: the ‘959’ etched into the steering wheel, the six-speed gearbox, the 7200rpm redline, the torque distribution gauge, the 350km/h speedo, the ride height and damper control switches… I could go on, but you get the picture.


1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992

1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992 / Back in 1986 the 959 looked and performed as if it had come from another planet

I’ve driven only one 959 before, very briefly and many years ago, yet so much of what I can see and touch is generic middle-ages 911.1 can operate it without even thinking about it, let alone requiring tuition. When the engine fires, its sound is that of an air-cooled 911 even though it is one of the most extraordinary motors ever to find its way into a road car. Ifs a 2.85-litre motor when the 911 of its day had a 3.2-litre engine and has turbochargers working not in parallel but series: one little turbo to spool up fast and minimise low-rev lethargy handing over to another far bigger turbo once the revs were up. Not only that, but it came with water- cooled, twin-cam heads with four valves per cylinder. Truth is it was a far closer relative of the 962 Le Mans car engine than that of any other road-going Porsche.


1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992

1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992 / Both have 444bhp, both will crack 190mph and both will hit 0-60 in about 3.6secs.

Yet ifs quiet and tractable. The clutch is gentle, the gearshift beautifully engineered and precise. And then you put your foot down and the car’s character changes. There’s a distant whoosh as the car picks up the pace. There is far more lag than you’d find in the 992, of course, but it feels strong as the revs rise. The chassis feels soft, far softer than the 992’s, and the old 911 nose bob cannot be missed, but this old dear is doing well – pulling hard, holding its head up against a car born an entire generation later. And then…

And then you hit 4800rpm. Which is where the big turbo cuts in. At once, you realise that, up until now, the car has been barely trying. It doesn’t press you back in your seat: it slams you rearward. The revs are rising far more rapidly than they ever did in the 992 so now you need another gear, fast. The ratios are perfect because the needle drops back down to exactly 4800rpm and the whole show starts again. By 2019 standards, this 959 is a startlingly quick machine. In 1986, it must have felt like an artillery shell.


1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992

1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992 / Swoopy aero front end didn’t become a 911 reality until the 996 arrived nearly 10 years later. Round headlights skipped a generation with the 996, returning with the 997.

For a moment, I ponder why its acceleration figures are so close to the 992’s for, in truth, the older car feels far faster. And then I realise: old tyre technology, no instant shifting, no launch control, no traction control, and still it loses only 0.1 sec to 62mph compared with a brand-new 911.

You can feel every year of progress in the 992’s grip and composure

Of course, there would be no contest at all point to point. The 959 has an engaging chassis and those Bridgestones grip hard despite being mounted on skinny rims of just 17in diameter. But you can feel every year of progress in the 992’s grip and composure, and while I didn’t much feel like smoking the 959’s brakes, I know it would lag even further behind the 992 when it came to stopping power. Also, being Porsche’s first stab at four-wheel drive, there is no space in the nose for a boot, whereas the 992 offers rather generous amounts of luggage space.


1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992

1986 Porsche 959 Sport vs. 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 992 / The 911 of 33 years hence? It’s unlikely to be anything like these two fossil-fuel burners.

But the question is: do they feel related? And the answer is that they do, but distantly. They share that sense of engineering integrity, some elements of their sounds and shapes, and positioning as long-distance touring cars as well as being out and out sports cars. And so normal does the 959 feel that you could even end up being disappointed by it. At least until you hit 4800rpm, where after your brain will be well and truly boggled.

More than anything, I loved the 959’s split personality, the way it was so civilised until the right moment presented itself, at which point it turned into a quite magnificent maniac. In that regard, the 992 Carrera 4S is perhaps not the correct modem equivalent after all, despite their on-paper similarities. What’s needed is a car with a superbly flexible engine that is nevertheless capable of entirely overwhelming even the best developed of all-wheel-drive Porsche platforms.

A new 911 Turbo 992 should do the job nicely. If the stories that the S version will have considerably more than 600bhp are accurate, the true successor to the 959 could be with us by the end of the year.


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WHAT FUTURE FOR THE 911?

So where will the 911 of 33 years hence be? Will it be as quick then as a hypercar is today? I doubt it First, there is the law of diminishing returns to consider and, second, the extreme likelihood that all cars will by then be limited in the amount of performance they are able to deploy- It won’t have an internal combustion engine but whether Porsche insists on still putting its powerplant – be it an electric motor or fuel cell – behind the rear axle line remains to be seen.

Personally, I can’t see a car like a 911 or 959 surviving the enormous transition that is approaching. It may look like a 911, it may even be called a 911, but will it be related in anything other than name to the cars on this page? I think the world will have changed too much for the  character of such cars to survive.


 

TECHNICAL DATA FILE SPECIFICATIONS 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 S 992

Price 2019 in UK £93,110

Engine 6 cyls, 2981cc, turbocharged, petrol

Max Power 444bhp at 6500rpm / DIN nett

Max Torque 391lb ft at 2300rpm / DIN nett

Gearbox 8-spd double clutch, all-wheel drive

Kerb weight 1515kg

Top speed 190mph

0-62mph 3.5sec (with Sport Chrono)

Economy 31.7mpg

CO2, tax band 204g/km, 37%

Drive-My rating 5.0


TECHNICAL DATA FILE SPECIFICATIONS 1987 Porsche 959 Sport

Engine Flat-six, 2849cc, twin-turbo

CO2 n/a

Max Power 508bhp @ 6500rpm / DIN

Max Torque 369lb ft @ 5000rpm / DIN

Transmission Six-speed manual gearbox, four-wheel drive

Front suspension Double wishbones, two electronic dampers per wheel, anti-roll bar

Rear suspension Double wishbones, two electronic dampers per wheel, anti-roll bar

Brakes Vented discs, 322mm front, 304mm rear, ABS

Wheels 8 x 17in front, 9 x 17in rear tyres 235/40 VR17 front, 255/40 VR17 rear

Weight (kerb) 1350kg

Power-to-weight 382bhp/ton

0-62mph 3.7sec (claimed)

Top speed 211mph (claimed)

Price new £150,000 (1987 UK)

Value today c£1million (2018 UK)

Drive-My rating 5.0

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Additional Info
  • Year: 1986-2020
  • Body: Coupe
  • Type: Petrol
  • Engine: Flat-6
  • Fuelling: Injection
  • Club:

    {module PORSCHE 959}


     {module PORSCHE 992}

  • Type: Petrol

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